I just read Fence Sitter’s excellent first blog post where she writes:
I did not go to college because I thought that it was assur to do so and then I had three kids by age 23.
This hit a raw nerve in me.
When I was in Yeshiva, I was also brainwashed not to go to University. In my particular yeshiva, the saying went “PENN yifteh levavchem”. In other words, going to PENN (or for that matter any IVY League university) would definitely make you go astray…
After 3 years of yeshivah, I was convinced that going to university would make me lose my yiddishkeit. So I did some 3-year course way below my ‘level’ and I am actually currently working on a job that required only a 3-month course.
(This, of course, is one of the pet ‘proofs’ of the frum community that you don’t really need a degree to earn a living: “I know someone who did not do a degree but earns a lot of money”. The exception should somehow prove the rule. Well, actually, the rule is that people who don’t have some higher degree of secular learning will end up having a job in which they can not support their families.)
Of course, not having studied is not trivial to me.
First of all, there is little possibility for me to advance in my job since I haven’t got the right CV because most jobs in IT require some higher level of studies. OK, I am sure there are jobs that don’t really require that as a rule, but it nevertheless is give as a requirement for pretty much every interesting job I ever looked for.
Secondly, I should easily be able to study according to the career coaching tests I did. It is stam a waste not to have studied and instead doing some lame course where my brain cells were fermenting most of the time, I could have learnt some tachles skills.
But what really eats me is that I never knew what it is like to be in university and never had the intellectual satisfaction of studying something real.
Now that I am married with 2 children, I will have to think of a way to do a bachelor with an Open University program if I am ever to pursue some higher level studying. Since most of them require some 10 hours of week studying (minimum!), Î am currently too reluctant to sacrifice the time I have with my family, especially my children, and my wants and aspirations will have to take a backseat.
Honey,
ReplyDeleteIt's time to make a change. Go to school. You will make better money and have a more mentally challenging position if yo do go.
Ari.
For the record, most colleges way over estimate the amount of studying time needed. Officially a three-credit course is supposed to require an average of nine hours of studying or homework per week, but with the exception of advanced math courses, very few of them do.
ReplyDeleteI would recommend starting with community college night classes. You could also use CLEP exams to test out of some introductory courses. However, you should only do this if your state's university system accepts CLEPs. My state does take CLEPs, but I know that CUNY, for example, does not.
I believed the "proofs" too. Now my husband is trying to use a different "proof" with me. He keeps saying that he knows people, X, Y, and Z who went to Chabad yeshivos and then went on to college to become successful doctors or lawyers, etc. Okay, so they managed to ignore all the brainwashing in yeshiva and go to college anyway, good for them. That does not mean that our kids will manage to ignore the brainwashing too.
Is he forgetting that I am coming from the same system so arguing that Chabad allows college isn't going to work?
Ari: I can't go to school now, I just can't afford to stop earning a living, especially now that my older son will enter school next year.
ReplyDeleteFS: Thanks for the encouragement! I live in Europe, so the system is slightly different but I hope it still holds true.
UK: is it feasible for you to do some online courses towards a degree? Even if you just do one at a time, you'll get where you deserve to be. It's NEVER too late!
ReplyDeleteSY: I have sent some mails today to universities; I hope I get some favorable response! Thanks!
ReplyDeleteIt's nice that you want to spend time with your family but to be honest with you they will survive if you go to school a few evenings a week. My husband who is a wonderful father spent many years earlier in his career not seeing his kids during the week. Was it hard on me? Yes. Did the kids miss their dad? Yes, but we all survived and my kids are not resentful and still love their dad. It will not be easier in the future and your expenses will only get bigger.
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