Name one primarily atheistic community which has had a low level of violence and has reproduced at a replacement level. Never happened. After massacring each other for the first half of the 20th century, Europeans have stopped having kids are being replaced by Muslims. So much for atheism.
You have created another straw man here. The main point here was that people claim atheists are evil because all 20th century genocides were done by atheists. Some answers:
- They conveniently forget that these evil people ascribed to socio-political ideologies as dogmatic as religion itself and not to atheism as a motivator. - The atheist does not really desire an atheist government but a secular one, a free one. - Saying that atheists are evil because of the above is just like saying that all Catholics (or Haredim?) are pedophiles.
Now with regards to your challenge: How do you define violence? Is killing homosexuals violence? And how do you define communities? Do you seriously think these statistics exist on such a small level? Why not look at crime in general or murder stats (available here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate and El Salvador, a christian country has the highest homocide rates)? Who will measure and report this violence? E.g., in haredi communities nothing much is reported anyways.
The uberstraw man is the 'replacement level' condition. Atheist communities can still have relatively little crime which would disprove the notion that atheism necessarily leads to genocide. Regardless of the viability of their replacement level, especially if they manage to be mekarev some intellifundies.
Once again, isolated examples are not a valid sampling. Once could do the very same with religious people who commit horrible crimes. Once could even consider a newly religious individual who abandons his parents and cuts off all contact with them to be a heinous person.
Lots of fallacies in this video. Everything she said can be juxtaposed on atheism. She says not all atheists favor an atheist state, well not all religious people favor a theocratic state. Hitler was not a christian, everyone knows he used christianity when it suited him. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot are only invoked by theists when atheists use the violence card. Suffice to say all ideologies can be misused for wicked ends, even secular ones.
Great vid!
ReplyDeleteErk... China is mostly atheist/agnostic/irreligious so I can't credit this vid too highly
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk41Gbjljfo
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USR3bX_PtU4
Name one primarily atheistic community which has had a low level of violence and has reproduced at a replacement level. Never happened. After massacring each other for the first half of the 20th century, Europeans have stopped having kids are being replaced by Muslims. So much for atheism.
ReplyDeleteHi JP,
ReplyDeleteSince when do you watch untzniusdika videos? :)
You have created another straw man here. The main point here was that people claim atheists are evil because all 20th century genocides were done by atheists. Some answers:
- They conveniently forget that these evil people ascribed to socio-political ideologies as dogmatic as religion itself and not to atheism as a motivator.
- The atheist does not really desire an atheist government but a secular one, a free one.
- Saying that atheists are evil because of the above is just like saying that all Catholics (or Haredim?) are pedophiles.
Now with regards to your challenge: How do you define violence? Is killing homosexuals violence? And how do you define communities? Do you seriously think these statistics exist on such a small level? Why not look at crime in general or murder stats (available here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate and El Salvador, a christian country has the highest homocide rates)? Who will measure and report this violence? E.g., in haredi communities nothing much is reported anyways.
The uberstraw man is the 'replacement level' condition. Atheist communities can still have relatively little crime which would disprove the notion that atheism necessarily leads to genocide. Regardless of the viability of their replacement level, especially if they manage to be mekarev some intellifundies.
OK, so you don't want to listen, fine.
ReplyDelete"Atheists are generally hedonists, debauched libertines or murderers" is copied out of which scientific textbook exactly?
Reproducing at replacement level or not is irrelevant for the point made in the video, that's not what the video was about.
You just want to grab every opportunity to slander atheists, not even sure if you read anything or saw the whole video.
I've actually only found one good atheist
ReplyDeletehttp://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2008/01/chandra-good-atheist.html
Please get him some help. That was a meandering, convoluted , self-indulgent and repulsive link.
ReplyDeleteIt's only the truth that hurts. Atheism is a religion of death.
ReplyDeleteRemember Jim Jones, the guy who did the Jonestown Massacre? He was an atheist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown#Deaths_in_Jonestown
http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJonestown/Tapes/Tapes/TapeTranscripts/Q622.html
And let's not forget a gem like Jeff Dahmer
http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2008/07/atheists-in-their-own-words.html
Once again, isolated examples are not a valid sampling. Once could do the very same with religious people who commit horrible crimes. Once could even consider a newly religious individual who abandons his parents and cuts off all contact with them to be a heinous person.
ReplyDeleteI guess every depraved atheist is an isolated. Pol Pot, Reinhard Heydrich, Mao, Jeff Dahmer, a million would be just a million isolated cases.
ReplyDeleteWhen the last living human staggers out a gay bar and dies of a heroin overdose, maybe then atheists will admit that they have a problem.
Lots of fallacies in this video. Everything she said can be juxtaposed on atheism. She says not all atheists favor an atheist state, well not all religious people favor a theocratic state. Hitler was not a christian, everyone knows he used christianity when it suited him. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot are only invoked by theists when atheists use the violence card. Suffice to say all ideologies can be misused for wicked ends, even secular ones.
ReplyDeleteShalmo: She made this video to show the idiocy of anti-atheist rhetoric. Just for your enjoyment.
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