tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post4462015190382469797..comments2023-10-03T10:52:05.047+02:00Comments on Undercover Kofer: Great Article On AtheismUndercover Koferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00194328471722983693noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-4926065305181059662011-10-11T04:09:54.149+02:002011-10-11T04:09:54.149+02:00Darwin made atheism popular, respectable and alleg...Darwin made atheism popular, respectable and allegedly scientific. Prior to him, atheists were a few outcasts and crackpots.<br /><br />Some atheists may be involved in alcohol and opiates only minimally, just like some Jews may rush through prayers. Many atheists however are very devout in their observance.<br /><br />This is why Prohibition failed and the War on Drugs is failing. You have to eliminate the underlying religious beliefs. AA tries to do that my drilling into addicts monotheism.jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-22101503217481152542011-10-10T18:32:15.638+02:002011-10-10T18:32:15.638+02:00UK: I believe my previous point is well illustrate...UK: I believe my previous point is well illustrated. Repeating the same statements incessantly without regard to fact, meta-study, verification or overwhelming data to the contrary can be considered the sign of a weak intellect or pathological illness.SkepticalYidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-48617056843210813072011-10-10T16:00:14.724+02:002011-10-10T16:00:14.724+02:00@jewish philiosopher read the article posted here ...@jewish philiosopher read the article posted here again...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-3275746038389359782011-10-10T14:26:36.142+02:002011-10-10T14:26:36.142+02:00JP: You are dodging my question and not for the fi...JP: You are dodging my question and not for the first time... <br /><br />Please answer this question: If you say that Darwin started the 'religion' of atheism, how come there were people before Darwin claiming to be atheists?<br /><br />As a side note, there are plenty of atheists (like a colleague of mine at work) that don't drink or do drugs.<br /><br />But then again, I can't force you to think out of the box you currently are in and refuse to come out of. Perhaps a joint would do you good?Undercover Koferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00194328471722983693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-57626786050866772812011-10-10T13:07:46.766+02:002011-10-10T13:07:46.766+02:00Religion is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx.
...Religion is the opiate of the people. Karl Marx.<br /><br />Opiates and alcohol are the religion of atheists. Jacob Steinjewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-40317490656821339802011-10-10T00:08:00.893+02:002011-10-10T00:08:00.893+02:00UK: 1. The Nazis weren't atheists.
2. D...UK: 1. The Nazis weren't atheists.<br /> 2. Darwin was Agnostic<br /> 3. The last statement you reference regarding drugs and alcohol from the earlier poster is so stupid it defies rebuttal. It is just as illogical as suggesting that Orthodox Judaism lends people to seek comfort and solace by overeating and an unhealthy diet..SkepticalYidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-79859735521506777612011-10-09T21:52:23.256+02:002011-10-09T21:52:23.256+02:00JP: According to you, atheism is a religion. But ...JP: According to you, atheism is a religion. But here you say that the nazis were atheists: http://jewishphilosopher.blogspot.com/2011/03/were-nazis-atheists.html. Are you arguing that WWII was caused by religion?<br /><br />Other points: <br />- Are you telling me there was no atheism before Darwin? The origin of species was published in 1859. Wikipedia states that "The first individuals to identify themselves as "atheist" appeared in the 18th century."<br />- "Alcohol and opiates are the atheists means of finding comfort and solace and are their equivalent of prayer." What? Granted the drugs, but so religious people not drink at all? Come on!Undercover Koferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00194328471722983693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-23617299481681891762011-10-09T18:17:12.540+02:002011-10-09T18:17:12.540+02:00It's quite fascinating to observe a pathologic...It's quite fascinating to observe a pathological obsessive disorder. The compulsion to repeat facts that are in error or are entirely false as a means to compensate for anxiety or low self esteem is tragic. Fortunately there are medications and therapy systems available to alleviate those problems which only serve to alienate others, cause loss of jobs or educational opportunities and sometimes lead to divorce.SkepticalYidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-58895983853075637892011-10-07T13:37:22.443+02:002011-10-07T13:37:22.443+02:00The so called definition that atheism means "...The so called definition that atheism means "no gods" is meaningless because no atheist can define the word God.<br /><br />Atheism is a religion which teaches that the Biblical God does not exist and evolution created us. It was founded by charles darwin and it's sacred text is origin of species. Alcohol and opiates are the atheists means of finding comfort and solace and are their equivalent of prayer.<br /><br />Some scientologists and buddhists also do not believe in a personal god.jewish philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17987540457195983665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-29130035198172903242011-10-06T22:41:32.713+02:002011-10-06T22:41:32.713+02:00Very well said. I find a lot of atheists are, for ...Very well said. I find a lot of atheists are, for want of a better word, fundamentalists. They tend to marginalize those who hold to ethnic traditions or practices and deride them as still being 'brainwashed'<br /><br />It's unfortunate that human beings are prone to forming groups that exclude others based on deviation from the core values those groups hold dearest.SkepticalYidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-69755917845400608622011-10-06T19:17:31.608+02:002011-10-06T19:17:31.608+02:00[1st Anonymous here]
A. Nuran - I don't think...[1st Anonymous here]<br /><br />A. Nuran - I don't think the difference between agnostic and atheist is about willingness to listen to a sales pitch. Even religious folks don't like them (esp. if they come from a different religion).<br /><br />Rather, I was drawing a distinction between those that are "I don't happen to believe in a diety, but respect that everyone has their own POV and don't really care what others believe if they aren't hurting anyone", versus "I KNOW that there is no deity, if you disagree you must be crazy/delusional/stupid/dangerous, and I feel the need to get others to agree with me".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-44782058522655938202011-10-06T13:43:28.876+02:002011-10-06T13:43:28.876+02:00UK: you'd probably manage to fit in to Reconst...UK: you'd probably manage to fit in to Reconstructionist Judaism, since it's open to varied understandings of the Godhead.<br /><br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstructionist_Judaism#Theology<br /><br />The founder, Mordechai Kaplan, was excommunicated by the Orthodox rabble for kefirah. If that's not an outstanding endorsement from your point of view, I can't imagine what would suffice ;-)SkepticalYidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-1470710073242731312011-10-06T10:27:44.023+02:002011-10-06T10:27:44.023+02:00Josh: I am a kofer in Orthodox Judaism or any orga...Josh: I am a kofer in Orthodox Judaism or any organized religion for that matter. That doesn't mean I gained clarity as to if there is a God or not.Undercover Koferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00194328471722983693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-72351341273920451792011-10-06T10:05:43.217+02:002011-10-06T10:05:43.217+02:00Some will say "Well, those awful New Atheists...Some will say "Well, those awful New Atheists are just rude. Nasty little people they are. What you open minded people really are is agnostics. You're still open to the idea of Invisible Sky Fairy. Just listen to my missionary sales pitch. You're bound to come around."<br /><br />Sorry, but after a while you just have to say "It's bullshit." Reams of supposed evidence have been demolished. The logical fallacies ripped apart. All the conflicting stories banged against each other and broken. At this point there's so little reason to believe and so many reasons to reject every attempt at conversion that even the most open-minded folk have to entertain the least hypothesis; it's all lies, mistakes or delusion.A. Nurannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-86071842869371597382011-10-06T10:00:00.397+02:002011-10-06T10:00:00.397+02:00OK, I was unduly harsh in that last comment. One o...OK, I was unduly harsh in that last comment. One of these stands out as most likely the One True God. <br /><br />The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster states that the world was created by unintelligent design. There's a lot more reason to believe this is the case than the idea of an omnipotent omniscient Creator.A. Nurannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-23237545981541971482011-10-06T09:57:23.570+02:002011-10-06T09:57:23.570+02:00As the saying goes, "Atheism is a religion th...As the saying goes, "Atheism is a religion the same way bald is a hair color." In the real, grown up world the person making outlandish claims is the one required to provide evidence. The theists claim that an anthropomorphic Invisible Sky Fairy exists, runs or created the universe and sometimes suspends the laws of nature for the benefit of bags of dirty water on one tiny planet if it is wheedled and cajoled enough.<br /><br />There is no evidence for the existence of ISF. <br /><br />What's more, there is no evidence that we should prefer one over the other. Dead Jew on a Stick, Adonai the Jealous, Volcano God Allah, The Divine Personage of Jade, Damballa, Odin, Ishtar, Coyote, Great Cthulhu and the Flying Spaghetti Monster all have exactly the same amount of credible evidence, which is to say diddly squat. It all has to be accepted on blind faith backed up by bribes and threats because Invisible Sky Fairy has the morals and impulse control of a poorly socialized toddler with diaper rash and a chainsaw. <br /><br />Putting any of these superstitions on the same level as the simple statement "I don't believe unsubstantiated bullshit" is not merely insane but inane.A. Nurannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-135896326038104462011-10-06T03:25:11.756+02:002011-10-06T03:25:11.756+02:00"Disclaimer: I do not, currently, classify my..."Disclaimer: I do not, currently, classify myself as an atheist"<br /><br />Naah, you're just a, err, 'kofer.'Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-39675183429690875422011-10-05T21:49:39.370+02:002011-10-05T21:49:39.370+02:00I've often found the "atheism is another ...I've often found the "atheism is another religion" meme oddly self-denigrating. It sounds like it's suggesting that if something is a religion, it shouldn't be taken as intellectually seriously.<br /><br />>I think the salient point is that Atheism requires belief in the same type of unproved and unprovable base postulate as a Theist. <br /><br />What belief does atheism require, and how does it require it?JGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-24968886019351214512011-10-05T21:17:07.545+02:002011-10-05T21:17:07.545+02:00What is so interesting about the fact that Atheism...What is so interesting about the fact that Atheism doesn't consider itself a religion. Of course its not a religion. I think the salient point is that Atheism requires belief in the same type of unproved and unprovable base postulate as a Theist. Nothing to see here folks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2754002607205877740.post-18484068559183682852011-10-05T19:42:24.336+02:002011-10-05T19:42:24.336+02:00I just tend to see atheism as just the extreme end...I just tend to see atheism as just the extreme end of a belief spectrum.<br /><br />That said, there are different manifestations of atheism. I know many people that I would say are casually atheist - they don't happen to really believe in G-d, but they live in the secular world so it's just not a major factor in their lives. They don't identify as part of an atheist community, and will happily engage in cultural/social/intellectual aspects of their religion-of-origin.<br /><br />In terms of lifestyle and philosophy, that's quite different than "militant" atheists, who feel the need to spread a belief in lack of belief, or suppress religious practice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com